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<<O>> Difference Topic SacMeeting04 (r1.48 - 10 Apr 2008 - EvanthiaHatziminaoglou)

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The EURO-VO Project will cover all SAC expenses, including air fare, accommodation, meals, taxis, etc. This will be done by ESO, upon presentation of all relevant receipts and up to a maximum of 900 Euros (including air fare, which will be covered directly by ESO).

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14:55	DCA Report	M.Allen (.pdf)
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Day 2, Wednesday, March 12

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15:45	Coffee	(in the IoA)
16:30	VirGO Demo	E. Hatziminaoglou
17:00	VO data publishing: use case Santander	F.Carrera

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Day 1, Tuesday, March 11

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Note: meeting is in the seminar room, Bullard Lab of Earth Sciences, across the road from the IoA.

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14:15	Facility Report	E. Hatziminaoglou, P. Padovani
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14:55	DCA Report	M.Allen
15:15	Issues and Discussion	All

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10.00	Sustaining the Euro-VO
	Upcoming FP7 opportunities	N.Walton
10.45	VO in the AstroNet roadmap	P. Padovani

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12:15	Action Items	All

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Detailed information on how to get to Cambridge can be found at http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/contact/map/gettinghere.html

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The meeting will be held at the Institute of Astronomy, University of Cambridge - see http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk - see http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/contact/map/ for a map of the site. Please meet in the Hoyle building for lunch on the Tuesday.

For the meeting we'll actually be using the seminar room in the Earth Science building just across the road - I'll show the route to the room when we go over there after lunch on Tuesday. (see http://rock.esc.cam.ac.uk/new/v10/about/finding/map_bl.html for the location of the Bullard Lab - which is where we'll meet).

Hotels in Cambridge

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09:00	EURO VO SAC goals group report
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12:15	Action Items	All
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